Archive for the ‘Religon’ Category

On Gay Marriage

Tuesday, June 2nd, 2009

I’m going to assume I’m kicking an ant hill on this one. I should know better, but I would like to share my personal views on gay marriage.

My take on the gay marriage thing is in a fluid state. It has gone from a completely “NO NO NO” to more of a “I don’t agree with them on the issue” and probably somewhere else tomorrow.
 
I can’t justify my views on gay marriage unless I explain my religious views on homosexuality.
 
I am a Christian and that tints my view on life and the world. I believe in the teachings of Christ and his disciples. I view them not only as solid “advice”, but as truths. Right vs Wrong. Good vs Evil. So, I cannot begin discussing the issue of gay marriage without stating that fact.
 
Secondly, I don’t believe nature intended for homosexuality to be the norm. In a clearly scientific viewpoint, it is not the natural sexual state or tendency of most, if any creature on earth. The main purpose of sex is for reproduction and homosexuality does not accomplish that. (A friend mentioned that it may be an evolutionary caused population control method. It is an interesting theory.)
 
Back to my Christian approach on things for a moment. As mentioned before, I believe there are rights and wrongs in this world. And the wrongs can mostly be labeled as “sins”. Sins ranges from lying to murder. I think the thing that people misunderstand about what a Christian’s view (SHOULD BE) on sin is that sins are equal in the eyes of God. We humans place various penalties and judgments on “evil” or “wrong” actions. God does not. Any sin brings the same ultimate consequence of living eternally away from God’s presence. Since I believe that is God’s view on sin based on the Bible, I try to keep it mine as well. In the realm of laws and legal issues around the world, I recognize the various degrees of punishment placed on criminal actions by societies. In most cases they are just. Thankfully, acts of homosexuality do not (and should not) be labeled as criminal acts in our criminal justice system.

You may have heard the term “Hate the sin, not the sinner.” It is an overused phrase in some religious areas, but I feel it holds water here. If someone lies, do I hate them? No. If someone kills, do I hate them? It becomes more difficult (especially when it directly effects me), but no. If two people of the same sex are intimate in the privacy of their own home, do I hate them? Nope. I just think the above actions go against my personal beliefs and values. I disagree with the action but love the person. As my mom always said, “the church is full of sinners.” 

And now my views on gay marriage.
 
Traditionally, marriage is a religious institution. Though history teaches us that in many societies cohabitation occurred, the monogamous form of marriage that is practiced today was founded in religious teachings and traditions. This is where the current conflict begins.
 
Everywhere you go today, you hear people screaming “Separation of Church and State!” But those screams are only heard when that statement is convenient to the person declaring it. (And we won’t discuss the fact that the statement or declaration cannot be found in any of our founding documents.) But tolerance is a two way street. Since idea of marriage in the U.S. is a religious based institution, perhaps it is time to make a move on that separation thing. Because that is really where the major issue lies; the fact that the religious crowd does not want to redefine the meaning and term “marriage” and the other side wants the benefits and recognition that comes with marriage. In those states where civil unions do give couples the same rights given to married couples, this has still not settled this debate. For the gay community, it is about equality. I also believe it is about getting a governmental institution to justify and accept of their lifestyle.
 
And I can understand their point of view.
 
So my opinion is that the State and Federal Governments need to get out of the business of overseeing, instituting and regulating “marriage”. If they want to continue to use some kind of classification to create laws, divide property and implement tax codes, perhaps they should turn more toward “civil unions” (or whatever you choose to call it) for all; including those who are “religious”. This would eliminate the need for state issued marriage certificates while giving people the ability to have the same benefits as those who were previously considered “married”.
 
Allow people who want to be “married” to do so in their own churches or religious events. Allow those religious organizations decide what marriage should be. This gives people the option as to how they define marriage and, as with most religions, allows people to worship in places that share their beliefs. I may not agree on how religious institutions define marriage, but it at least allows me to decide what and how I worship. This also allows the “religious” to hold on to something they hold dear, while allowing others to have the same benefits and rights as what was previously known as marriage.
 
To me, this is a sensible resolution to the current debate within the State and Federal governments. There are kinks that will need to be addressed, but this hopefully would end this extremely divisive issue and allow Americans to argue over something else; because they will.
 
Each side can and must be willing to compromise. It is my hope that my home state of Alabama will pick up this idea up and run with it. I think it would be great if a Southern state championed and implemented this type of Libertarian idea.

Travis Clay

Defiance

Monday, May 4th, 2009

Nothing much I can say except: Watch this movie. If you are interested in a movie based on a real life story of struggling Jews during the German occupation, this one is worth watching. Here is the blurb:

“Based on an extraordinary true story, Defiance is an epic tale of family, honor, vengeance and salvation in World War II. (Paramount Vantage)”

Defiance

Travis Clay

Flag and Church

Monday, February 16th, 2009

This past Sunday our church had an after worship service forum to discuss something that had been festering for quite some time. It dealt with having the American Flag in our sanctuary, or the lack of one.

I only know what was said by our interim pastor at the beginning of the forum, so I may not know the whole story. From what was discussed, the Christian and American Flags were in the church for as long as some people could remember. At some point in the past few years, the church had some remodelling done. The flags were removed for the remodelling and not returned afterwards.

This is where it gets foggy, but it appears that when people wanted to return the flag there was some resistance to putting it back in place. It was never returned. Since our previous pastor left, some people within the church put it upon themselves to create a petition calling for the return of the flag. This is all fine and well, but the Presbyterian Church’s governing structure does not recognize petitions. In other words, petitions do not sway the governing body of the church. (Elders)

So that leads us to yesterday’s forum. The interim pastor laid out the ground rules and allowed individuals to come to a microphone to voice their opinion.

Each “side” presented some great opinions/arguments. It is my opinion that most people were very polite and didn’t pour gasoline on the fire that was already burning. There seemed to be two arguments presented at the forum.

The first argument expressed the strong tie that they have to the flag. Many veterans (some WWII) felt that the flag belonged in the church as a reminder of how good God had been to us. It reminded them of the sacrifices they had made and others close to them had made for the country that they loved. I am not sure it was said, but I believe some of the feeling on this argument revolves around tradition. Growing up in a Southern Baptist church, I can’t think of a time that there were not flags in the church. I don’t remember where they were exactly in every church, but I do believe they were there.

The second group of people believed that the flag really didn’t have a place inside the sanctuary. The reasoning revolved around passages in the Bible where God said that we are not to have any other god or idol before Him. They also read the verse where Jesus states that we cannot serve two masters. There were even veterans who supported this argument. The flag is presented seasonally and it seemed to be the way most people in this group felt. Some also felt it was a barrier to other religions, cultures or those from other countries.

I’ve had to ask myself where I stood on the issue. In all honesty, I am divided on the issue. I see good points in each of the arguments. Growing up, I have always remembered having a flag in the church. In each VBS (Vacation Bible School) there was always a time where we would say the pledge of allegiance and sing a patriotic song. In the hymns located within the church I attend, there are patriotic songs as well.

After thinking (and googling) I came up with a solution that each group may be able to agree upon. I suggested that we place the flag(s) near the entrance/exit of the building. This could serve two purposes. First, when one enters the church, the flags could be a reminder to use that we need to leave everything at the door. That our purpose is to worship the Lord and nothing else. Upon leaving the church the flags would help us remember Matthew 28:19-20 (the Great Commission):

19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

Hopefully we will be reminded that there are people in the world that do not know Christ and that we are commanded to take Him to those people.

Perhaps this would be a compromise that both sides could accept. It would allow those who believe their is a place in the church for the flag. It would also place the flags in a place that would not distract others while they worship the Lord.

However, there will be people who will not be happy with this idea. Some believe that having the flag in the church will serve as a barrier to people. They also believe that it could even be offensive to them. Perhaps I am not tolerant enough to understand this point of view. For instance, why would people have a problem coming into our church if they see a flag? More importantly who would these people be?

One group that was mentioned were Muslims. I don’t understand the logic behind this because there are a great number of Muslims in our country that love America. Would we want to take it away from people who feel a strong tie to it? Another group that was specifically mentioned were people from Iraq (or other countries that may not feel we are treating them with respect among other things). I’m assuming that most of these people, especially in the Mobile area, are exchange students. Perhaps I am being intolerant once again, but I don’t see why we should hide our flag because some people may be offended. In this specific case, these students are studying here in America. Most get to experience the same daily freedoms life as Americans. They get the benefits of freedom while living here. I would imagine that many are here on their own free will looking to better themselves and benefit from our education system; an education system that is provided in America. If anything, the flag should be something that brings pride to all that choose to come here.

Should we remove the cross because it offends people?

We all have prejudices. We all have emotional barriers that we have to get past. If the Flag stands in your way, talk about it. We live in one of the greatest nation in the world. It has its faults, but overall we are blessed to live here. Every one of us.

I hope that the church can find a solution and is able to move forward in telling the Good News of Christ. As someone said last night, “Imagine what we could do If only we had this much passion for sharing Christ with others.”

So true.

Travis Clay